NIL $$$

[Hengrad07]

With all of these 3*** recruits & our top players staying in Newark, Does anyone have any idea how much $$ Carty has to pay the players?

[Big R]

No.

[Hengrad07]

No.

Thanks!

I guess we will have to wait until the tax returns are released, unless the University
decides to bury it in some miscellaneous expenditure??

[Info Hound]

We don't have a need to know, and UD does not have a need to disclose, IMO.

And, I'm fine with that.

[CaliHen98]

We don't have a need to know, and UD does not have a need to disclose, IMO.

And, I'm fine with that.

+1

[Hengrad07]

Maybe it will matter the next time UD visits Dover, DE begging for money to help pay health insurance costs
for its employees or any other expenses the New President says they cant afford to pay - I guess time will tell!

[rooneyguy]

Maybe it will matter the next time UD visits dover begging for money to help pay health insurance costs
for its employees or any other expenses the New President says they cant afford to pay - I guess time will tell!

Yes. And how dare UD beg for more money than the 10.9% of its budget it gets from the State of Delaware??? Simply outrageous.

[CaliHen98]

Maybe it will matter the next time UD visits dover begging for money to help pay health insurance costs
for its employees or any other expenses the New President says they cant afford to pay - I guess time will tell!

Yes. And how dare UD beg for more money than 10.9% of its budget it gets from the State of Delaware??? Simply outrageous.

Agreed, Rooney. The majority of public universities that are considered "flagship" universities of their respective states end up receiving between 25% and 35% of their annual funding from the state.

[Cluck U]

Maybe it will matter the next time UD visits dover begging for money to help pay health insurance costs
for its employees or any other expenses the New President says they cant afford to pay - I guess time will tell!

Yes. And how dare UD beg for more money than 10.9% of its budget it gets from the State of Delaware??? Simply outrageous.

Agreed, Rooney. The majority of public universities that are considered "flagship" universities of their respective states end up receiving between 25% and 35% of their annual funding from the state.

Well, by UD's own admittance, they aren't quite 100% public. UD shields much of their internals from the public and the legislature.

No reason to give more public funding if the school won't open up their operations for public inspection. Econ Stewardship 101. Instead, UD wants to have it both ways...a public money supply, but little accountability to the public. This isn't new...UD has repeatedly told the legislature to pound sand when information is requested...and so the semi-polite dance continues.

[rooneyguy]

Yes. And how dare UD beg for more money than 10.9% of its budget it gets from the State of Delaware??? Simply outrageous.

Agreed, Rooney. The majority of public universities that are considered "flagship" universities of their respective states end up receiving between 25% and 35% of their annual funding from the state.

Well, by UD's own admittance, they aren't quite 100% public. UD shields much of their internals from the public and the legislature.

No reason to give more public funding if the school won't open up their operations for public inspection. Econ Stewardship 101. Instead, UD wants to have it both ways...a public money supply, but little accountability to the public. This isn't new...UD has repeatedly told the legislature to pound sand when information is requested...and so the semi-polite dance continues.

Not to quibble, but UD describes itself as "state assisted but privately governed" as opposed to them saying we "aren't quite 100% public". The former seems more accurate to me.

And, as I suspect we both understand, the semi-polite dance you refer to is conducted to the tune of "Be Careful What You Wish For" because both sides would rather grumble about how they think things should be rather than go through what could be a painful process of trying to win (and possibly lose) the argument. Its the same logic I use in deciding to not tell my wife what I really think about the new drapes she bought when I thought the old ones were perfectly fine.

[BlueHenBill]

Cluck U, I believe that many other state universities (especially those of the flagship variety- e.g. PSU, Pitt , & Temple) are also "not 100% public" yet many receive a larger portion of their budget from their respective states than UD does.

[DaveB]

Pretty sure this also allows UD to accept more out of state students which equals more tuition $$$$

[Bluewyn Gold]

Cluck U, I believe that many other state universities (especially those of the flagship variety- e.g. PSU, Pitt , & Temple) are also "not 100% public" yet many receive a larger portion of their budget from their respective states than UD does.

While this true, THAT school at State College, Pitt & Temple are all subject to PA's Right-to-Know Law and, unlike our DE schools, their info related to athletic financing is not FOIA-proof.

The only remotely similar example that share's UD's and DSU's exclusivity is Cornell. While it's a private institution, it does operate state-supported colleges. Cornell is not subject to NY's FOI laws.

Rooney, not to quibble (well, maybe a little), but UD and DSU receive enough public support to NOT be able to skirt FOIA. There are much more prominent state-sponsored institutions who receive less funding from their respective states but their athletic finances are NOT shielded from public scrutiny--for example, Michigan (7%), Washington (9%), and Illinois, Ohio State, and Kentucky (all 10%) come to mind.

Don't know how clued in you are on the history of the DE universities' (specifically, UD) lobbying efforts in Dover to protect themselves from FOIA. Don Crossan was the mouthpiece for the school on this matter back in '75/'76 when the school went to battle with Common Cause, and the UD's own faculty and student union, all of whom were lobbying lobbying against the school's FOIA exemption. (That very unpopular but successful effort was part of the reason Crossan was removed as VP a year later.) Around the same time and in ensuing years, many publicly-funded universities and colleges across the country fought for FOIA exemptions and most of them either lost in court or in the court of public appeal. Weird little DE's General Assembly and numerous governors have allowed its two universities for skirt public scrutiny for half a century for no good reason. The nonsense needs to stop.

[rooneyguy]

Cluck U, I believe that many other state universities (especially those of the flagship variety- e.g. PSU, Pitt , & Temple) are also "not 100% public" yet many receive a larger portion of their budget from their respective states than UD does.

While this true, THAT school at State College, Pitt & Temple are all subject to PA's Right-to-Know Law and, unlike our DE schools, their info related to athletic financing is not FOIA-proof.

The only remotely similar example that share's UD's and DSU's exclusivity is Cornell. While it's a private institution, it does operate state-supported colleges. Cornell is not subject to NY's FOI laws.

Rooney, not to quibble (well, maybe a little), but UD and DSU receive enough public support to NOT be able to skirt FOIA. There are much more prominent state-sponsored institutions who receive less funding from their respective states but their athletic finances are NOT shielded from public scrutiny--for example, Michigan (7%), Washington (9%), and Illinois, Ohio State, and Kentucky (all 10%) come to mind.

Don't know how clued in you are on the history of the DE universities' (specifically, UD) lobbying efforts in Dover to protect themselves from FOIA. Don Crossan was the mouthpiece for the school on this matter back in '75/'76 when the school went to battle with Common Cause, and the UD's own faculty and student union, all of whom were lobbying lobbying against the school's FOIA exemption. (That very unpopular but successful effort was part of the reason Crossan was removed as VP a year later.) Around the same time and in ensuing years, many publicly-funded universities and colleges across the country fought for FOIA exemptions and most of them either lost in court or in the court of public appeal. Weird little DE's General Assembly and numerous governors have allowed its two universities for skirt public scrutiny for half a century for no good reason. The nonsense needs to stop.

So, in your version of UD's history, Don Crossan was fired because he successfully defended the institution's efforts to keep the FOIA exemption? Make that make sense. Thanks.

[Hens79]

Interesting take rooney. So, do you want more transparency or not? I mean, it would be easier to spot all the financial problems so many semi insiders say they know about but can’t really offer much in specifics. Does that make sense?