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[hensfan40yrs]

But is he wrong?

[Bluewyn Gold]

Yes. Granted what's happening now may not help cultivate fan interest over the long term. Suggesting it's a signal that America (or Americana) is being destroyed is hyperbolic and premature. Citing it as an example of social engineering - instead of capitalism at work - is completely off base.

[Cluck U]

The schools - particularly those in the traditional power conferences - are largely responsible for the chaos that now reigns by playing their criminally greedy games for decades. Now, the players and their reps are over-correcting way, way too far. Sadly for fans and supporters, there doesn't seem to be much common sense or sanity injected into the proceedings.

This is judgment of Solomon stuff. They're both guilty of slicing the baby in two.

Huh? Paying people what they’re worth is going too far?

On what planet?

If a kid can earn a couple million dollars playing a game, who the heck is anyone to tell them they can’t do that? A player at a college can’t earn a million or two, but a player on an NFL team can? What is that? Because a fan thinks it isn’t fair?

Good grief. Do people think they can tell an actor how much he can earn for a movie? Do you tell Wendy’s how much you think their top employees should make? Are there fan blogs where fans gripe about how much a golfer gets paid? Wait…those players that took Saudi money sure are saddened as their bank accounts balloon. Ban golf!!! Errrr…that golf, but not the other golf. Ferreners are wrecking everything.

Don’t like it? Don’t watch. No biggie. It isn’t really our team anyway. The Sixers haven’t asked for my opinion about salaries in…forever.

If the market takes a hit, the pay scale will adapt. If college sports continue to grow, even with the kids getting paid gobs of money…oh well. Pay the kids what they can get. They have every right to cash in on their talent.

Happy they can suck in other people’s money.

[jd of de]

Power schools with strong alumni bases will remain power schools. We will seen new names added however, now that powerful alumni can legally channel corporate money into NIL.

Think Arkansas with Wal-Mart, Tyson Foods and Jerry Jones money flowing freely to players now. Calapari knows exactly what he has to work with and the football program will be on the rise soon.

Tons of other examples like Allen’s Microsoft money to Oregon. Texas and Texas A&M oil baron alumni. On and on.

IMO Alabama in football and Kentucky in basketball are going to struggle to keep up.

[Baltimore Hen]

The schools - particularly those in the traditional power conferences - are largely responsible for the chaos that now reigns by playing their criminally greedy games for decades. Now, the players and their reps are over-correcting way, way too far. Sadly for fans and supporters, there doesn't seem to be much common sense or sanity injected into the proceedings.

This is judgment of Solomon stuff. They're both guilty of slicing the baby in two.

Huh? Paying people what they’re worth is going too far?

On what planet?

If a kid can earn a couple million dollars playing a game, who the heck is anyone to tell them they can’t do that? A player at a college can’t earn a million or two, but a player on an NFL team can? What is that? Because a fan thinks it isn’t fair?

Good grief. Do people think they can tell an actor how much he can earn for a movie? Do you tell Wendy’s how much you think their top employees should make? Are there fan blogs where fans gripe about how much a golfer gets paid? Wait…those players that took Saudi money sure are saddened as their bank accounts balloon. Ban golf!!! Errrr…that golf, but not the other golf. Ferreners are wrecking everything.

Don’t like it? Don’t watch. No biggie. It isn’t really our team anyway. The Sixers haven’t asked for my opinion about salaries in…forever.

If the market takes a hit, the pay scale will adapt. If college sports continue to grow, even with the kids getting paid gobs of money…oh well. Pay the kids what they can get. They have every right to cash in on their talent.

Happy they can suck in other people’s money.

you miss the point entirely and are really on the side of part of the problem. No one is saying they can't earn money at this point, but there is ZERO structure to it. The NFL for example has a salary cap, a slotted rookie pay scale, a free agency period that is limited, etc, etc, etc....It is not just a free for all of spending by every team in the league and the players are bound by rules too. College football is a free for all with tampering all over the country, players transferring to another school and collecting 6 figures and then transferring back to their original school having NEVER played a down for the other school and keeping the 100K. you have joe car dealer enticing players to go to a school now.....stuff that got SMU shut down and they are blatantly doing it in the open now. joe car dealer can offer endorsement contracts, but should not be able to do it as an inducement. only for enrolled students with a paper trail. There needs to be policy that is written in place. there will have to be a collegiate players union and these policies will need to be collectively bargained between the players and the universities....i.e.- the universities will be the "league" and the players will negotiate en masse with the "league" through their union leader. otherwise I'm afraid more nd more fans will show up as empty seats in years to come.....

[Cluck U]

I am on the side of, “the problem?”

Hardly.

Let’s see…you believe that government needs to step in and regulate school (HA!) sports…and that a union NEEDS to be put into place. Hmmm, the NBA has a player’s union and all sorts of contracts and regulation. How is that working out? The players change teams all the time. Remind me again…exactly where is the fan/city loyalty? Heck, players decided to get together with their friends and create Cool Kid Super Teams. There’s a video about Cleveland that says their economy is based around LeBron James. Might need to update that song. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZzgAjjuqZM

Actually, that is a pretty funny video.

And football? Coaches and players zip around the league between teams and teams still find ways to cheat salary caps with all sorts of dizzying contracts that extend into forever (yet the player isn’t on the team) and have special clauses that other lawyers didn’t think about. Entire cities lose teams when their owners decide they need a new stadium or aren’t getting enough ginormous tax breaks. Season ticket prices usually involve a second mortgage and a visit to a single game with food/drinks are ridiculous. Peolple complain about UD’s prices? Wait until you formalize all the costs of your unions and regulations into the mix.

Many people have left pro sports fandom…yet the pro teams still have more and more money coming in…from somewhere. Some folks are still dropping big bucks to see their favorite players for a year or two. Gotta’ purchase that uniform with the player’s name before he is off to another pasture.

And, what happens when these teams decide they need a new stadium to compete? Do they move to a secondary campus? Or, do we have the University of California team move to Georgia? Heck, they are in the ****checks notes*** Atlantic Coast Conference. Must have replaced their Geography courses with something else.

Your idea is to make rules so that you can chain players (people) to a team so that you have some entertainment for your weekends. Funny that anyone would demand “loyalty” from a person just so that you can feel a weird bond with that person…knowing that the person doesn’t give a single hoot about you.

Good luck with that.

On the other hand, my belief is that a very talented person should be able to command whatever the market will pay for their talents. If that price gets too high for my wallet, then I won’t pay. I don’t have to watch other people play sports at all…or I can go to a single game when the mood strikes. I can go on a walk, sail, improve my garden, work on a thingy in the garage, host a party with friends…the list is endless. And none of those things demand that another person bow down to my idea of what he or she (a complete stranger) can earn for their effort while playing a sport.

If I am part of a “problem” that involves me not playing Ceasar or King Whomever with other people’s livelihoods, then I am satisfied with that.

[Hens79]

BG, you have had the right message and touch in this thread. We aren’t going back to the supposed good old days of years gone by but the current hyper libertarian free for all of no rules, regulations or even unions wont stand for long. And of course, what is going on with college athletics isn’t an example of the “destruction of Americana”. SMH

[Gannonfan]

The schools - particularly those in the traditional power conferences - are largely responsible for the chaos that now reigns by playing their criminally greedy games for decades. Now, the players and their reps are over-correcting way, way too far. Sadly for fans and supporters, there doesn't seem to be much common sense or sanity injected into the proceedings.

This is judgment of Solomon stuff. They're both guilty of slicing the baby in two.

Huh? Paying people what they’re worth is going too far?

On what planet?

If a kid can earn a couple million dollars playing a game, who the heck is anyone to tell them they can’t do that? A player at a college can’t earn a million or two, but a player on an NFL team can? What is that? Because a fan thinks it isn’t fair?

Good grief. Do people think they can tell an actor how much he can earn for a movie? Do you tell Wendy’s how much you think their top employees should make? Are there fan blogs where fans gripe about how much a golfer gets paid? Wait…those players that took Saudi money sure are saddened as their bank accounts balloon. Ban golf!!! Errrr…that golf, but not the other golf. Ferreners are wrecking everything.

Don’t like it? Don’t watch. No biggie. It isn’t really our team anyway. The Sixers haven’t asked for my opinion about salaries in…forever.

If the market takes a hit, the pay scale will adapt. If college sports continue to grow, even with the kids getting paid gobs of money…oh well. Pay the kids what they can get. They have every right to cash in on their talent.

Happy they can suck in other people’s money.

you miss the point entirely and are really on the side of part of the problem. No one is saying they can't earn money at this point, but there is ZERO structure to it. The NFL for example has a salary cap, a slotted rookie pay scale, a free agency period that is limited, etc, etc, etc....It is not just a free for all of spending by every team in the league and the players are bound by rules too. College football is a free for all with tampering all over the country, players transferring to another school and collecting 6 figures and then transferring back to their original school having NEVER played a down for the other school and keeping the 100K. you have joe car dealer enticing players to go to a school now.....stuff that got SMU shut down and they are blatantly doing it in the open now. joe car dealer can offer endorsement contracts, but should not be able to do it as an inducement. only for enrolled students with a paper trail. There needs to be policy that is written in place. there will have to be a collegiate players union and these policies will need to be collectively bargained between the players and the universities....i.e.- the universities will be the "league" and the players will negotiate en masse with the "league" through their union leader. otherwise I'm afraid more nd more fans will show up as empty seats in years to come.....

Structure will come. This is all really new, like in the last 1-2 years new. And it's the right reaction for a system that was wrong for so long. People pining for the "glory years" of how it was are also being unrealistic that we'll ever go back to a period where athletes were being royally used and screwed by the academic institutions that really should've done better. Sure, it'll be different, but it won't be the wild wild west forever either. Players will still have plenty of mobility, hard to see that changing, and they'll move for a little more money at a different school, but there will eventually be some guiderails around this. Takes time though.

[Cluck U]

Huh? Paying people what they’re worth is going too far?

On what planet?

If a kid can earn a couple million dollars playing a game, who the heck is anyone to tell them they can’t do that? A player at a college can’t earn a million or two, but a player on an NFL team can? What is that? Because a fan thinks it isn’t fair?

Good grief. Do people think they can tell an actor how much he can earn for a movie? Do you tell Wendy’s how much you think their top employees should make? Are there fan blogs where fans gripe about how much a golfer gets paid? Wait…those players that took Saudi money sure are saddened as their bank accounts balloon. Ban golf!!! Errrr…that golf, but not the other golf. Ferreners are wrecking everything.

Don’t like it? Don’t watch. No biggie. It isn’t really our team anyway. The Sixers haven’t asked for my opinion about salaries in…forever.

If the market takes a hit, the pay scale will adapt. If college sports continue to grow, even with the kids getting paid gobs of money…oh well. Pay the kids what they can get. They have every right to cash in on their talent.

Happy they can suck in other people’s money.

you miss the point entirely and are really on the side of part of the problem. No one is saying they can't earn money at this point, but there is ZERO structure to it. The NFL for example has a salary cap, a slotted rookie pay scale, a free agency period that is limited, etc, etc, etc....It is not just a free for all of spending by every team in the league and the players are bound by rules too. College football is a free for all with tampering all over the country, players transferring to another school and collecting 6 figures and then transferring back to their original school having NEVER played a down for the other school and keeping the 100K. you have joe car dealer enticing players to go to a school now.....stuff that got SMU shut down and they are blatantly doing it in the open now. joe car dealer can offer endorsement contracts, but should not be able to do it as an inducement. only for enrolled students with a paper trail. There needs to be policy that is written in place. there will have to be a collegiate players union and these policies will need to be collectively bargained between the players and the universities....i.e.- the universities will be the "league" and the players will negotiate en masse with the "league" through their union leader. otherwise I'm afraid more nd more fans will show up as empty seats in years to come.....

Structure will come. This is all really new, like in the last 1-2 years new. And it's the right reaction for a system that was wrong for so long. People pining for the "glory years" of how it was are also being unrealistic that we'll ever go back to a period where athletes were being royally used and screwed by the academic institutions that really should've done better. Sure, it'll be different, but it won't be the wild wild west forever either. Players will still have plenty of mobility, hard to see that changing, and they'll move for a little more money at a different school, but there will eventually be some guiderails around this. Takes time though.

Yup.

The market will adapt. It would naturally, but ain't nobody got time for that. We have controls to put into place. These players can't realize their worth so we'll dazzle them with layers of...crap, really. Hundreds of colleges instead of 30 or so pro teams...and someone will try to find a way to make Utica football get a piece of the pie while others will try to convince us that Utica football doesn't deserve a piece of the pie. And don't forget those basketball schools that don't have a real football interest.

For now, the kids will make a shyte ton of money...as it should be. Gobble, gobble, gobble...eat it all up. Pay them.

The ones complaining? A bunch of control freaks that want others to take less money so that they can watch "their" gladiators in "their" coliseums. The performers got too uppity and are causing a bit of confusion for the folks that want to see the show...so bring forth the Roman Senate and the wealthy owners with rules to show them who's boss.

Have we really changed that much in 2,000 or so years?

I will sit back and enjoy the great college sports experiment, although I don't expect UD's football or basketball teams to ever really make another run at sports greatness. And it will be fascinating to watch what happens to the "non-revenue" sports once college players are considered employees.

[Hens79]

A real yup GF. Another post with the right perspective, touch and tone. There will be some structure put in place aka the dreaded for some rules and regulations.

[hensfan40yrs]

Huh? Paying people what they’re worth is going too far?

On what planet?

If a kid can earn a couple million dollars playing a game, who the heck is anyone to tell them they can’t do that? A player at a college can’t earn a million or two, but a player on an NFL team can? What is that? Because a fan thinks it isn’t fair?

Good grief. Do people think they can tell an actor how much he can earn for a movie? Do you tell Wendy’s how much you think their top employees should make? Are there fan blogs where fans gripe about how much a golfer gets paid? Wait…those players that took Saudi money sure are saddened as their bank accounts balloon. Ban golf!!! Errrr…that golf, but not the other golf. Ferreners are wrecking everything.

Don’t like it? Don’t watch. No biggie. It isn’t really our team anyway. The Sixers haven’t asked for my opinion about salaries in…forever.

If the market takes a hit, the pay scale will adapt. If college sports continue to grow, even with the kids getting paid gobs of money…oh well. Pay the kids what they can get. They have every right to cash in on their talent.

Happy they can suck in other people’s money.

you miss the point entirely and are really on the side of part of the problem. No one is saying they can't earn money at this point, but there is ZERO structure to it. The NFL for example has a salary cap, a slotted rookie pay scale, a free agency period that is limited, etc, etc, etc....It is not just a free for all of spending by every team in the league and the players are bound by rules too. College football is a free for all with tampering all over the country, players transferring to another school and collecting 6 figures and then transferring back to their original school having NEVER played a down for the other school and keeping the 100K. you have joe car dealer enticing players to go to a school now.....stuff that got SMU shut down and they are blatantly doing it in the open now. joe car dealer can offer endorsement contracts, but should not be able to do it as an inducement. only for enrolled students with a paper trail. There needs to be policy that is written in place. there will have to be a collegiate players union and these policies will need to be collectively bargained between the players and the universities....i.e.- the universities will be the "league" and the players will negotiate en masse with the "league" through their union leader. otherwise I'm afraid more nd more fans will show up as empty seats in years to come.....

Structure will come. This is all really new, like in the last 1-2 years new. And it's the right reaction for a system that was wrong for so long. People pining for the "glory years" of how it was are also being unrealistic that we'll ever go back to a period where athletes were being royally used and screwed by the academic institutions that really should've done better. Sure, it'll be different, but it won't be the wild wild west forever either. Players will still have plenty of mobility, hard to see that changing, and they'll move for a little more money at a different school, but there will eventually be some guiderails around this. Takes time though.

period where athletes were being royally used and screwed by the academic institutions that really should've done better.

You mean playing a sport you love while getting a free education aint enough?? Thats getting screwed?

[Caribbean Hen]

And to think it all started as a friendly competition between competing universities

Let’s put together a football team and go play a competitive game on Saturday afternoon. Rivalry between schools was magical

Here’s an idea …. Why not give the universities back to the scholars and serious students ? Isn’t that who they’re supposed to be for?

And allow these young talented football players to test their market demand in a pre NFL league? If everyone is so excited to pay to watch these guys play, they should be able to make millions….

Call it whatever you want, but ask why should all of this stuff be happening under the guise of a college.

[Cluck U]

And to think it all started as a friendly competition between competing universities

Let’s put together a football team and go play a competitive game on Saturday afternoon. Rivalry between schools was magical

Here’s an idea …. Why not give the universities back to the scholars and serious students ? Isn’t that who they’re supposed to be for?

And allow these young talented football players to test their market demand in a pre NFL league? If everyone is so excited to pay to watch these guys play, they should be able to make millions….

Call it whatever you want, but ask why should all of this stuff be happening under the guise of a college.

Nice post, CH. Except...

Colleges are businesses. That is all. Charging $100,000 per year for a degree in basket weaving? Colleges are no more a noble enterprise than a locally run 7-11...the schools just have a better handle on the PR part of the business. They want money...and they will use the athletes and fans to get more of it.

High school sports will soon go the way of colleges. In many cases, they already have gone that way. Red Lion, anyone? Our Delaware private schools have recruited athletes and given them free rides forever...the same way several of the top Delaware public soccer teams used to recruit soccer players. The lawyers will eventually make sure that high school athletes get paid. There's no stopping this train. Amateur, schmamateur...

And kids will continue to switch between schools and there will be a lot less loyalty (from both fans and student athletes).

[Bluewyn Gold]

You mean playing a sport you love while getting a free education aint enough?? Thats getting screwed?

Yes, the athletes were receiving SOME compensation, but, in many cases, it was not nearly equitable enough. Some athletes weren't even getting much of an education at all. This isn't even a point of legitimate contention anymore. The concept of athlete compensation may offend your archaic sensibilities, but the schools, conferences, the NCAA, and, most importantly, U.S. courts all disagree.

As Mr. Gannonfan, 79, and I all said, the market will correct some of the ridiculous and harmful overreaches in due time. Hang in there or don't. There are plenty of other diversions that aren't nearly as complicated.

[Hengrad07]

How much CA$H is available in UD’s NIL fund? I was told Nova distributes 2.5M a year.