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[dchen]

i wonder if UD is subject to the federal level (rather than the state) FOIA. Like almost every school UD receives significant federal funds through federal financial aid programs and other federal grants.

I think federal FOIA only applies to agencies of the federal government, not state and municipal governments or universities. An attorney versed in FOIA law might be able to verify.

I’m sure your right.

[Cluck U]

Technically, FOIA is a federal law that covers only federal agencies.

However, most states, and many cities, have somewhat similar laws ("Sunshine Laws," would be one of the common names for such laws...although almost everyone uses the FOIA acronym for information requests) that are meant to open up state and local public entities to public scrutiny. The city of Newark's city council can go into Executive Session to discuss things privately and avoid FOIA requests, but those items have to meet some pretty strict standards (personnel issues, legal challenges, contract discussions (although those contracts should be made public after implementation), etc.).

Unlike the federal FOIA laws, the sunshine laws in each state vary.

UD is not a federal agency. The way one would track federal money going to private entities (NGOs, universities, etc.), would be to start from the federal end.

[dchen]

501(c)(3) entities, which includes UD, receive two federal tax privileges: donors can deduct their contributions and the 501(c)(3) doesn't have to pay tax on the contributions received. The primary requirement to maintain this privilege is to file the annual Form 990 and ensure that employees and board members and vendors do not receive outsized compensation. My personal view is that the feds should make these entities subject to FOIA as well.

[beancounter]

Filed forms 990 for UD can be found here:

https://sites.udel.edu/vpfinance/reports/irs-form-990/

[72 Hen]

Just a silly question. Are college athletes still considered amateurs? Not only are they paid to play but some make more money that some professionals.
Arch Manning gets 6.8 million... Carson Beck gets 4.3 million... Jeremiah Smith gets 4,2 million. Even if a college player get $500 a month is he an amateur? Is there such a thing as amateurs any more. I like NCAA football better than NFL but both are professional nowadays.

Teams with deep pockets will always field the top teams. And, yes, on top of that some schools are cheating with NIL payments. Many teams are at a sever disadvantage when it comes to recruiting and retaining players. I really miss the old days where a guy would be recruited, coached up and become part of a team. I like watching that cycle in a kids career. Now a recruit ask how much money will I make and will I be a starter? If they pile up enough stats they will transfer somewhere to make more money.

I don't mind athletes sharing in the profit they help make with ticket sales but when is it enough?

[BlueHenBill]

Cluck U, I Correct me if I am wrong but I thought that in the past (and presumably continuing) UD's exemption from FOIA /disclosure does NOT apply to programs/projects funded with DE state monies (about 10% of UD's total annual budget) which are specifically identified in the DE state appropriations. If I am correct, UD is exempt from FOIA/disclosure for programs/projects funded by non-DE state monies which account for about 90% of UD's total annual budget. Further, to the extent that UD would receive increasing portions of the UD budget from DE state monies, UD would have more expenditures subject to FOIA/disclosure.

Cluck U, No response to my post above?

[Cluck U]

Cluck U, I Correct me if I am wrong but I thought that in the past (and presumably continuing) UD's exemption from FOIA /disclosure does NOT apply to programs/projects funded with DE state monies (about 10% of UD's total annual budget) which are specifically identified in the DE state appropriations. If I am correct, UD is exempt from FOIA/disclosure for programs/projects funded by non-DE state monies which account for about 90% of UD's total annual budget. Further, to the extent that UD would receive increasing portions of the UD budget from DE state monies, UD would have more expenditures subject to FOIA/disclosure.

Cluck U, No response to my post above?

Uh, yeah, BHB, I'll get right on it.

Short answer...the state can ask for receipts for the the money they provide. Long answer...that isn't the issue (not at all).

BTW, there is a thing called Google...and also plenty of online dictionaries. You know, in case I go on vacation, or something.

[Caribbean Hen]

Just a silly question. Are college athletes still considered amateurs? Not only are they paid to play but some make more money that some professionals.
Arch Manning gets 6.8 million... Carson Beck gets 4.3 million... Jeremiah Smith gets 4,2 million. Even if a college player get $500 a month is he an amateur? Is there such a thing as amateurs any more. I like NCAA football better than NFL but both are professional nowadays.

Teams with deep pockets will always field the top teams. And, yes, on top of that some schools are cheating with NIL payments. Many teams are at a sever disadvantage when it comes to recruiting and retaining players. I really miss the old days where a guy would be recruited, coached up and become part of a team. I like watching that cycle in a kids career. Now a recruit ask how much money will I make and will I be a starter? If they pile up enough stats they will transfer somewhere to make more money.

I don't mind athletes sharing in the profit they help make with ticket sales but when is it enough?

We might live long enough too see mid season call ups… sounds ridiculous right now… just give it 5 years or so

[UDFootballFan]

Just a silly question. Are college athletes still considered amateurs? Not only are they paid to play but some make more money that some professionals.
Arch Manning gets 6.8 million... Carson Beck gets 4.3 million... Jeremiah Smith gets 4,2 million. Even if a college player get $500 a month is he an amateur? Is there such a thing as amateurs any more. I like NCAA football better than NFL but both are professional nowadays.

Teams with deep pockets will always field the top teams. And, yes, on top of that some schools are cheating with NIL payments. Many teams are at a sever disadvantage when it comes to recruiting and retaining players. I really miss the old days where a guy would be recruited, coached up and become part of a team. I like watching that cycle in a kids career. Now a recruit ask how much money will I make and will I be a starter? If they pile up enough stats they will transfer somewhere to make more money.

I don't mind athletes sharing in the profit they help make with ticket sales but when is it enough?

We might live long enough too see mid season call ups… sounds ridiculous right now… just give it 5 years or so

We are already seeing that happen with basketball. Players went to the G-League are now going back to college. NIL has really screwed up what NCAA was ...now its just glorified minor league[s].

[77HEN]

Just a silly question. Are college athletes still considered amateurs? Not only are they paid to play but some make more money that some professionals.
Arch Manning gets 6.8 million... Carson Beck gets 4.3 million... Jeremiah Smith gets 4,2 million. Even if a college player get $500 a month is he an amateur? Is there such a thing as amateurs any more. I like NCAA football better than NFL but both are professional nowadays.

Teams with deep pockets will always field the top teams. And, yes, on top of that some schools are cheating with NIL payments. Many teams are at a sever disadvantage when it comes to recruiting and retaining players. I really miss the old days where a guy would be recruited, coached up and become part of a team. I like watching that cycle in a kids career. Now a recruit ask how much money will I make and will I be a starter? If they pile up enough stats they will transfer somewhere to make more money.

I don't mind athletes sharing in the profit they help make with ticket sales but when is it enough?

Schools should consider signing players to multi year contracts. Also, remember when Academic Progress Assessments were required to be reported and a minimum level of achievement was required? I looked at that recently but I think the info was for only 2023 before all the NIL/transfer portal really geared up to what it is now.

[mpwerrell]

Contracts.
QB Darian Mensah signed a 2 year contract with Duke for $8 million. Played one year, placed his name in the portal in January. Duke sued and then settled allowing Mensah to transfer to Miami. Settlement conditions were not released.

Contracts appear to be easily broken.

[Cluck U]

Contracts.
QB Darian Mensah signed a 2 year contract with Duke for $8 million. Played one year, placed his name in the portal in January. Duke sued and then settled allowing Mensah to transfer to Miami. Settlement conditions were not released.

Contracts appear to be easily broken.

And the lawyers always get their payment.

[bluehenbillk]

Has NIL been bad for Delaware overall? The football team exceeded expectations but every other team that gets a sliver seems to have had or is having quite the “off year”?

[BigBlueRooster]

Has NIL been bad for Delaware overall? The football team exceeded expectations but every other team that gets a sliver seems to have had or is having quite the “off year”?

I have a feeling that NIL will be kinda a push for programs like UD. Sure there will be kids who transfer out for more money and or playing time. I do think we will get a crack at some recruits who would have been scooped up to secure depth at SEC, ACC, Big10 schools who now fall through the cracks so to speak. Mid and lower tier high school recruits don't get quite the same level of attention any more so there is probably a bigger pool than years past for programs like UD to draw from. (I've read multiple articles on just this how many good recruits are relogated to lower tier schools since so many schools are focused less on player development and relying more on Free agency AKA transfers). More so now with the success of Indiana.

At the end of the day it's College fooball
Player Development Matters
Having a strong culture matters.
Sceme and Coaching Matter
Tradition still Matters

For UD to be successful long run identifying young up and coming coaches and getting them here will be a key to consistent success going forward. Coaches are going to get scooped up that may matter more than the transfers who leave in the long run,

[BlueHenBill]

Cluck U, I Correct me if I am wrong but I thought that in the past (and presumably continuing) UD's exemption from FOIA /disclosure does NOT apply to programs/projects funded with DE state monies (about 10% of UD's total annual budget) which are specifically identified in the DE state appropriations. If I am correct, UD is exempt from FOIA/disclosure for programs/projects funded by non-DE state monies which account for about 90% of UD's total annual budget. Further, to the extent that UD would receive increasing portions of the UD budget from DE state monies, UD would have more expenditures subject to FOIA/disclosure.

Cluck U, No response to my post above?

Uh, yeah, BHB, I'll get right on it.

Short answer...the state can ask for receipts for the the money they provide. Long answer...that isn't the issue (not at all).

BTW, there is a thing called Google...and also plenty of online dictionaries. You know, in case I go on vacation, or something.

Cliuck U, I was responding to your posts about UD's exemption from FOIA/disclosure which I believe does not apply to programs/projects funded with DE state monies (about 10% of UD's total annual budget) which are specifically identified in the DE state appropriations. I believe that UD is obligated to disclose and comply with FOIA requests about expenditure of public monies. Your limited response only states "Long answer. ..that isn't the issue (not at all)." That is your "LONG" answer? If it isn't too big of an imposition on you who frequently post some of the longest posts here, please explain why UD's obligation to disclose and comply with FOIA requests about expenditure of public (but not private) monies "isn't the issue (not at all)". By the way I believe that UD still maintains that UD doesn't spend $1 of public monies on UD Athletics (the subject of these boards & all of our board members mutual interest) except for DE state monies for facilities.