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NJ Article on Spending

Post by Udforever1 » Thu Jun 25, 2020 9:04 am

https://amp.delawareonline.com/amp/5310 ... ssion=true

Really good, in depth article by Tres. Cringed a bit at the woah is me, Cinderella story type athletic department motto and glad Tres called that out. People viewing our athletic department as small time is why we have underachieved for decades as a department. Couldn’t help read the article wondering why we are in the CAA and not higher.

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Great Job by KT!

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Nice writeup
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Post by Henny » Thu Jun 25, 2020 10:34 am

I merged the two threads so we don't have two different discussions on this significant article.

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FROM LINKED ARTICLE ABOVE ^^^

Delaware’s expenditures on athletics are second-highest among schools in the NCAA Division I Football Championship Subdivision, data analysis reveals.

Only conference rival James Madison spends more, according to the Knight Commission on Intercollegiate Athletics’ financial information database.

James Madison has won a league-high 17 conference championships the last four years, 10 more than Delaware.

Furthermore, when looking at all NCAA Division I schools, including those in the highest level, the Football Bowl Subdivision, Delaware ranks 70th nationally in operating expenses and fourth in terms of how much of its athletic support is drawn from institutional/government resources. That’s among 230 public schools in statistics compiled by USA Today.

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Delaware, which fields 21 athletic teams, had $44.32 million in athletic funding and expenses in the most recent 2017-18 fiscal review, according to the Knight Commission, including that $38.23 million in university backing . The $44.32 million was the figure that ranked 70th nationally in USA Today’s accounting.

By contrast, 34 football-playing schools from the FBS Mid-American Conference, Conference USA and Sun Belt Conference – all in that Group of Five -- had lower operating expenses on athletics than Delaware, including sport-killers Central Michigan, Akron, FIU and Appalachian State.

FBS schools may award 85 football scholarships compared to 63 for FCS schools such as Delaware, a significant additional expense.

Rawak, however, dismissed the Knight Commission math, claiming it gives a false impression that, she said, makes Delaware stand out more than it should in relation to its Division I peers.

For example, she said, sports medicine operates out of the Carpenter Center and is counted as part of the funding supporting athletics but is actually overseen by UD Student Health.

She also said some schools do not count the significant cost of athletic facility groundskeeping, as Delaware does, in figures given to the Knight Commission.

“How everybody counts money is very different,” she said, including scholarships in those accounting variances. “It creates more questions.”

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The USA Today data reveals FBS members Air Force Academy ($40.2 million) and Connecticut ($39 million) as the only others allocating more university-derived funds for athletics than Delaware.


Delaware receives 86.25 percent of its athletic funding from the university, ranking it ninth among the 230 Division I schools in the USA Today compilation. Among the eight ahead of Delaware was CAA rival Towson (87.17 percent).

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The athletic department received just $710,000 from donor contributions in 2017-18, below the FCS median, according to the Knight Commission.
With the exception of several Historically Black Colleges and Universities, most FCS schools had a larger percentage of their revenue from those sources than Delaware.

In marked contrast, perennial FCS football champ North Dakota State pulled in $6.7 million in donor contributions, CAA rival William & Mary secured $5.8 million, Missouri State enticed $4.7 million, football power Montana State raised $4.2 million and JMU had $2.5 million.

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Post by hens05alum » Thu Jun 25, 2020 2:09 pm

UD '01 grad wrote:
Thu Jun 25, 2020 11:41 am

The athletic department received just $710,000 from donor contributions in 2017-18, below the FCS median, according to the Knight Commission.
With the exception of several Historically Black Colleges and Universities, most FCS schools had a larger percentage of their revenue from those sources than Delaware.

In marked contrast, perennial FCS football champ North Dakota State pulled in $6.7 million in donor contributions, CAA rival William & Mary secured $5.8 million, Missouri State enticed $4.7 million, football power Montana State raised $4.2 million and JMU had $2.5 million.
Fuzzy math, no? https://bluehens.com/news/2018/8/6/dela ... pdate.aspx

According to the link from UD's own athletics website, 2017-2018 was a record breaking year for fundraising for Delaware athletics. $23.5M
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Post by Info Hound » Thu Jun 25, 2020 2:50 pm

hens05alum wrote:
Thu Jun 25, 2020 2:09 pm
UD '01 grad wrote:
Thu Jun 25, 2020 11:41 am

The athletic department received just $710,000 from donor contributions in 2017-18, below the FCS median, according to the Knight Commission.
With the exception of several Historically Black Colleges and Universities, most FCS schools had a larger percentage of their revenue from those sources than Delaware.

In marked contrast, perennial FCS football champ North Dakota State pulled in $6.7 million in donor contributions, CAA rival William & Mary secured $5.8 million, Missouri State enticed $4.7 million, football power Montana State raised $4.2 million and JMU had $2.5 million.
Fuzzy math, no? https://bluehens.com/news/2018/8/6/dela ... pdate.aspx

According to the link from UD's own athletics website, 2017-2018 was a record breaking year for fundraising for Delaware athletics. $23.5M
That's a pretty large factual error, that I am surprised has not been corrected in the article. At least, as of yet.

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Post by Hengrad07 » Thu Jun 25, 2020 3:33 pm

The won/loss record is also interesting & the "success" of her coaching hires...

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Post by BlueHenBill » Thu Jun 25, 2020 3:35 pm

hens05alum wrote:
Thu Jun 25, 2020 2:09 pm
UD '01 grad wrote:
Thu Jun 25, 2020 11:41 am

The athletic department received just $710,000 from donor contributions in 2017-18, below the FCS median, according to the Knight Commission.
With the exception of several Historically Black Colleges and Universities, most FCS schools had a larger percentage of their revenue from those sources than Delaware.

In marked contrast, perennial FCS football champ North Dakota State pulled in $6.7 million in donor contributions, CAA rival William & Mary secured $5.8 million, Missouri State enticed $4.7 million, football power Montana State raised $4.2 million and JMU had $2.5 million.
Fuzzy math, no? https://bluehens.com/news/2018/8/6/dela ... pdate.aspx

According to the link from UD's own athletics website, 2017-2018 was a record breaking year for fundraising for Delaware athletics. $23.5M
Yeah, but how much of that of that $23.5 M was for donated for the Whitney Athletic Center? I may be wrong, but I believe that expenses and donations for facility construction/renovation/(maintenance?) are not included in the UD Athletic annual expense and revenue report.
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Post by jd of de » Thu Jun 25, 2020 5:10 pm

Division II think on north campus is alive and well and has Tres in their corner!

The professors quote makes one wonder if the goal is to make athletics the source of the coming budget cuts. Kinda like Eastern Washington; 2% of the university budget and 30% of the proposed cuts.
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Re: NJ Article on Spending

Post by Hens79 » Thu Jun 25, 2020 7:36 pm

My bottom lines from the article ...... all that money for FCS football, not a lot of winning and no transparency.

What a decades long waste of potential with the small time thinking.

Hopefully we can tailgate this fall.

Nice job Tres.

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Post by hens05alum » Fri Jun 26, 2020 7:46 am

BlueHenBill wrote:
Thu Jun 25, 2020 3:35 pm
hens05alum wrote:
Thu Jun 25, 2020 2:09 pm
UD '01 grad wrote:
Thu Jun 25, 2020 11:41 am

The athletic department received just $710,000 from donor contributions in 2017-18, below the FCS median, according to the Knight Commission.
With the exception of several Historically Black Colleges and Universities, most FCS schools had a larger percentage of their revenue from those sources than Delaware.

In marked contrast, perennial FCS football champ North Dakota State pulled in $6.7 million in donor contributions, CAA rival William & Mary secured $5.8 million, Missouri State enticed $4.7 million, football power Montana State raised $4.2 million and JMU had $2.5 million.
Fuzzy math, no? https://bluehens.com/news/2018/8/6/dela ... pdate.aspx

According to the link from UD's own athletics website, 2017-2018 was a record breaking year for fundraising for Delaware athletics. $23.5M
Yeah, but how much of that of that $23.5 M was for donated for the Whitney Athletic Center? I may be wrong, but I believe that expenses and donations for facility construction/renovation/(maintenance?) are not included in the UD Athletic annual expense and revenue report.
Must be nice being given $23.5M and not having to count it as revenue.
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Re: NJ Article on Spending

Post by jd of de » Fri Jun 26, 2020 9:11 am

I for one, and I know of others that did the same, shifted my annual giving from UDAF to the Whitney project. IMO the $700k UDAF number stated in the article is a misleading. Donations to the Whitney came with UDAF benefits but were not counted as a UDAF donation.

Combined, $24.2 million was donated during that period. Four times what JMU raised to build the Bridgeforth home side.

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