Questions for coach Rocco

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Re: Questions for coach Rocco

Post by ColoradoHen » Tue Nov 27, 2018 7:33 pm

HZ, Bama may use a 3-4, but it sure ain't passive plus their elite players aren't slow by a long shot. Not a good example to use. I'm not against the 3-4 per se, just don't like the way it's being implemented on the field. My base question is valid and I really would like to know when the last FCS champ used such a passive defense. The games I've watched have all been heavy on pressure defense.

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Re: Questions for coach Rocco

Post by Henzone » Tue Nov 27, 2018 7:39 pm

ColoradoHen wrote:HZ, Bama may use a 3-4, but it sure ain't passive plus their elite players aren't slow by a long shot. Not a good example to use. I'm not against the 3-4 per se, just don't like the way it's being implemented on the field. My base question is valid and I really would like to know when the last FCS champ used such a passive defense. The games I've watched have all been heavy on pressure defense.
I'm with you 100%, I don't like it a bit but we really missed a big man inside which would have allowed a little more creativity. Ashworth did a super job considering he was playing around 265-270. We need a 290 + Nose to create some stability inside so we can send some backers. JMU could have sent just 1 rusher if he was playing over Kroll and still cause havoc. Just my take.
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Re: Questions for coach Rocco

Post by tenn hen » Wed Nov 28, 2018 11:21 am

good to read that a few posters are fully realizing the main thrust I've commented on all season long. The size issue on the DL. Our guys played their hearts out, but just couldn't make headway. That's part of the reason why the version of the 3-4 D we employed was a complete failure. I even went as far( in another thread looking ahead to 2019) as to question about the Huge guy from IMG Volino!! Size matters even if our big body just goes low and clogs up the center of the line disrupting their Oline scheme.

the question of players that don't hit the turf is downright a bummer. I rarely if ever read anything about many guys who might have played, especially with the new redshirt rule. I believe many of us not in the area would love to get any information about how guys look in practice. joe c's reference to Paoletti's ability was an example where he only saw him in a red top throw some balls. At some point earlier in the season I read on here that he was running the scout teams( probably Henderson as well) and looked good???? If he had the talent, he couldn't have done worse than what we saw in the last few games. I'd wager the kid has the toughness to handle, like Henderson, to have handled the job and not been ruined for the rest of his career with 4 years remaining.

Will Rocco ever come out and fill in his thoughts to us fans about a lot of these kids that saw little to no playing time? Will the real story about Wade ever be revealed since it DIRECTLY may have cost us a shot at a better O with a real opportunity at deception. Just the few plays Henderson was in showed us the possibilty of an EXCITING offense. Man, I was bummed out when he got pounded due to our weak Oline. Is Spruill gone- silence prevails!! Unfortunately an emotional spur of the moment decision by him could have cost us the backup to Kane when he got injured that we dearly needed.
If we could get some valid information coming from the staff or the athletic dept. or from those who've got solid sources, we'd all get a feel for everything that's going to come up from now. Certainly there should have been or scheduled to be a Q&A with the press/bhtc.
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Re: Questions for coach Rocco

Post by ColoradoHen » Wed Nov 28, 2018 12:21 pm

Tenn, some information rightfully belongs within the staff and locker room. Fans are always curious, but some things should remain private- my opinion but as a military officer I often had to make decisions on what info to make public and what needed to remain behind closed doors. Just the right thing to do. The Spruill situation currently falls within legal system and could take months before resolution. Who knows how that will be resolved but probably not in the picture for next years team as a minimum. Need to recruit for crucial depth at RB position.

Agree with you and HZ about needed size on DL and I'll add quickness also required in order for any defense, 3-4 or 4-3, to be effective.

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Re: Questions for coach Rocco

Post by HENJOHN » Wed Nov 28, 2018 1:04 pm

On the DL we do have 2 incoming commits in the 6-4,290 range in Nance and Coomer. Lets keep an eye on them if they make their way to Newark in the Spring or Summer.

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Re: Questions for coach Rocco

Post by UDFootballFan » Wed Nov 28, 2018 3:35 pm

Like others have said the 3-4 doesn't work when you don't have a big NT or a NT who can take on a block or two and help the LBs out.

I have so many questions for Rocco but I will limit my list to three:

1.) Why didn't you go to Paoletti or Henderson once we knew PK was immobile with a knee injury.
2.) Why didn't you make any changes during the break?
3.) What do you look for in the new OC.

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Re: Questions for coach Rocco

Post by Caribbean Hen » Mon Mar 18, 2019 11:00 am

ColoradoHen wrote:I would like to ask when is the last time an FCS National Champion routinely used a passive 3-4 "keep bending until you break" defense???
ColoradoHen, great question..

not sure if Coach Rocco has answered the basic question of "Why are we shifting to 4-3 D?

Rocco said in the BigR interview from 2 years ago is that one of the reasons he liked the 3-4 was because you needed 4 Line backers and LB's can also play special teams and how it was all about Roster management

He seemed pretty sold when he got here that 3-4 was the way to play Defense, but that was 2 years ago... I was excited about the 3-4, I realize that we were often lined up in 4-3 anyway, Colby might of had some feedback about having to play with fingers in the dirt so to speak...

So what changed Rocco's mind? his personnel? watching JMU play some great D in the 4-3?

after all that...we are shifting to 4-3 right? :D

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Re: Questions for coach Rocco

Post by ColoradoHen » Tue Mar 19, 2019 1:46 pm

C, I completely understood Coach R’s reason for using the 3-4 D and had no problem with it per se. my frustration was only with the very passive nature it was implemented. I’ve always believed in playing fast, downhill pressure defense trying to force the action, not simply giving ground and reacting to what the offense wants to do.

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Re: Questions for coach Rocco

Post by joe c » Tue Mar 19, 2019 6:21 pm

Henzone wrote:
ColoradoHen wrote:I would like to ask when is the last time an FCS National Champion routinely used a passive 3-4 "keep bending until you break" defense???
Bama uses it quite a bit. They're not too bad.


" Anyway, this is the vanilla shell upon which all of Nick Saban’s defenses revolve: The 2-gap 3-4 scheme. Saban learned it from Bill Belichick, who had learned it from Bill Parcells, who had learned a variation of it from Bum Phillips, who had adopted it from college, particularly fom the OU Sooners juggernauts of the 40s and 50s..


"As of 2018, NFL teams that regularly incorporate the 3–4 defensive alignment scheme as a base include the Green Bay Packers, Los Angeles Rams, Pittsburgh Steelers, Baltimore Ravens, Kansas City Chiefs, New York Giants, New York Jets, Washington Redskins, Denver Broncos, Tennessee Titans, Houston Texans, and the Chicago Bears."

We need a big DT to start with and with Nichols we certainly had one in 2017. This year we did not.
Good stuff Zoner..
First I have made mention what we played was a 3 4 Oklahoma...Thatis where that came from...The 3 4 was brought back in vogue by Marion Swampfox Cambell who rode it with the Eagles to the 80 super bowl...Our problem we were played a 70 80 year old defense...We used none of the adaptions made by the names you mentioned...Instead sat in a very vanilla original Oklahoma... Bill Parcells turned this into a monster, havoc wreaking, attacking defense...The today steelers still run a variation of this....It is a personel defense and I thought we had the talent to run this...We instead sat back and played bend but don't break cover 2 and cover 3, 3 4 defense...As you also stated after disappearing for quite some time except for a few teams the 3 r4 is back in vogue...However no team plays the original 3 4 Oklahoma except us...

You mentioned 2 gap...You can also play a one gap front...Parcells changed an integral part of 2 gap...He got bigger stronger D lineman and their job was to read and hit either gap and stand up straight, hold the O lineman and still be able to peer into backfield allowing backers to make plays....A one gap system is a d line man simply shoots either gap known before snap..There are up to 8 gaps to protect depending on what an offense lines up in...If you have better athletes you play a 2 gap....We mostly play a 1 gap....2 gap allows you to be more creative...It allows for more pressure and blitz options...It allows for more coverage options and more importantly it opens the door for much more aggressive play by our safety's...Now it seems we are changing schemes....Lets see what they come up with....

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