First Impression

[Oldhen]

It's pretty clear lots of folks have made up their minds and it's not at all apparent what it will take to change them

[foghorn1]

It's pretty clear lots of folks have made up their minds and it's not at all apparent what it will take to change them

The title of this thread is 'First Impression', not 'Lasting Impression'. You're reading too much into these honest responses. Let's all hope Brock turns out to be a coaching legend.

[Oldhen]

It's pretty clear lots of folks have made up their minds and it's not at all apparent what it will take to change them

Let's all hope Brock turns out to be a coaching legend.

+1

[artbuc]

It's pretty clear lots of folks have made up their minds and it's not at all apparent what it will take to change them

Results will do just fine. Brock obviously has limitations based on his lack of career progression. However, he may be more than good enough at this level. I would rather see some insecurity and humility than unjustified arrogance.

We do not know what expectations the BOT placed on Z. If he were told to de-emphasize FB and simply shoot for more winning than losing seasons with an occasional trip to the play-offs, than Z may have gone to Brock because he knew he was good enough to make that happen. Better than selecting an unknown who looked better on paper but carried too much risk.

[wacko4flacco]

It's pretty clear lots of folks have made up their minds and it's not at all apparent what it will take to change them

Results will do just fine. Brock obviously has limitations based on his lack of career progression. However, he may be more than good enough at this level. I would rather see some insecurity and humility than unjustified arrogance.

We do not know what expectations the BOT placed on Z. If he were told to de-emphasize FB and simply shoot for more winning than losing seasons with an occasional trip to the play-offs, than Z may have gone to Brock because he knew he was good enough to make that happen. Better than selecting an unknown who looked better on paper but carried too much risk.

Now THAT is depressing.

[Observer2]

What sort of a brilliant career move would it be, for a guy with a wife and five young children, to come here to follow an institutional directive to "de-emphasize" football?

Couldn't we have accomplished that without a coaching change?

Really, how do some folks around here even come up with this stuff?

[BluehenJK]

What sort of a brilliant career move would it be, for a guy with a wife and five young children, to come here to follow an institutional directive to "de-emphasize" football?

Really, how do some folks around here even come up with this stuff?

Deemphasizing football would literally hurt UD in more ways than parking revenue on Fall Saturdays.

[cougarpines1]

[quoteKeeler was an average football coach at best who had too big of an ego and set up his program so that the OC and DC were on a limb by himself. I][/quote]

Look, KC should be not brought into this discussion. He is gone so stop it. But if you must, I enjoyed my three trips to the National Championship games. Brock and us should be so successful. You like beating a dead horse? Have at it. Give the guy some respect.

[wacko4flacco]

[quoteKeeler was an average football coach at best who had too big of an ego and set up his program so that the OC and DC were on a limb by himself. I]

Look, KC should be not brought into this discussion. He is gone so stop it. But if you must, I enjoyed my three trips to the National Championship games. Brock and us should be so successful. You like beating a dead horse? Have at it. Give the guy some respect.[/quote]


+1

[BluehenJK]

[quoteKeeler was an average football coach at best who had too big of an ego and set up his program so that the OC and DC were on a limb by himself. I]

Look, KC should be not brought into this discussion. He is gone so stop it. But if you must, I enjoyed my three trips to the National Championship games. Brock and us should be so successful. You like beating a dead horse? Have at it. Give the guy some respect.[/quote]

Beating a dead horse? I am not a Keeler-hater. My point was that Keeler was a very good recruiter who chose not to be closely involved in the actual coaching and when he did it was bad (see Schoenhoft).....I personally think Keeler was fired too quick. But you aren't hearing a clamor of quotes from former players disagreeing with Keelers firing...are you? I think he deserves more credit for his time at UD but it was his people skills that led to Delaware Stadium being in his rearview mirror.

[Cluck U]

Beating a dead horse? I am not a Keeler-hater. My point was that Keeler was a very good recruiter who chose not to be closely involved in the actual coaching and when he did it was bad (see Schoenhoft).....I personally think Keeler was fired too quick. But you aren't hearing a clamor of quotes from former players disagreeing with Keelers firing...are you? I think he deserves more credit for his time at UD but it was his people skills that led to Delaware Stadium being in his rearview mirror.

Honest question...does anyone expect a player, after KC specifically told the team to support the new coach, to say anything that represents a challenge to the new coach? How many positive things have Rutgers current players said about Brock? Ooops...I hate when logic gets pulled!

And seriously, counting a Devlin (hey, a pro said something good) quote about Brock as a reference? Are you kidding? WTF would Devlin know about Brock? At least Pops had some experience with KC (and it sounds as though he said just what Brock's pros said about him)...which is what you expect winners to say about anyone.

As far as people who worked with Brock, what else would any rational (ie. not Hoefnor) person say about one of their collaegues..."I was stupid enough to hire a stiff who sucked"?

Even when you've fired someone, and it appears Brock did not have job security at Rutgers after his experience there, you always emphasis the positive (even to the point of stretching the truth) about the person to the media to allow a graceful exit. That is business. <----Damn, that might conflict with what others believe represents "business".

[artbuc]

What sort of a brilliant career move would it be, for a guy with a wife and five young children, to come here to follow an institutional directive to "de-emphasize" football?

Couldn't we have accomplished that without a coaching change?

Really, how do some folks around here even come up with this stuff?

You are missing the point. The decision to fire KC was, imo, independent of the BOT's priority on FB. The BOT may have been 100% satisfied with KC's won/loss record but they got tired of his act and fired him. They then told Z what their expectations were for the new HC including how much they were willing to spend on the recruiting process and compensation package. If the BOT told Z we want the best candidate in the country...someone who will restore greatness to UD FB with the expectation of being in the play-offs every year competing for a NC, do you think for 1 second that Z would have hired Brock? No freaking way!

[Caribbean Hen]

What sort of a brilliant career move would it be, for a guy with a wife and five young children, to come here to follow an institutional directive to "de-emphasize" football?

Couldn't we have accomplished that without a coaching change?

Really, how do some folks around here even come up with this stuff?

The BOT may have been 100% satisfied with KC's won/loss record but they got tired of his act and fired him

I think you missed the boat, if K.C. would have won more games his "act" would have been tolerated a lot longer and/or viewed as a "winning personality", but in K.C.'s case, he just didn't win enough to justify his ego........I'm not understanding this de-emphasize football BOT mindset your hypothesizing about...... is the BOT trying to undermine a fabled history?

[Caribbean Hen]

And seriously, counting a Devlin (hey, a pro said something good) quote about Brock as a reference? Are you kidding? WTF would Devlin know about Brock?
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exactly Cluck, very intriguing that Devlin takes a backhanded slap at KC by tossing a quote out there about Brock, whom he knows nothing about...... why would he do this

[artbuc]

What sort of a brilliant career move would it be, for a guy with a wife and five young children, to come here to follow an institutional directive to "de-emphasize" football?

Couldn't we have accomplished that without a coaching change?

Really, how do some folks around here even come up with this stuff?

The BOT may have been 100% satisfied with KC's won/loss record but they got tired of his act and fired him

I think you missed the boat, if K.C. would have won more games his "act" would have been tolerated a lot longer and/or viewed as a "winning personality", but in K.C.'s case, he just didn't win enough to justify his ego........I'm not understanding this de-emphasize football BOT mindset your hypothesizing about...... is the BOT trying to undermine a fabled history?

Where are the facilities upgrades?