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Keeler’s Firing was Personal NOT Business

Postby Bandwagon on Mon Jan 14, 2013 9:56 pm

It doesn’t matter if you liked K.C. Keeler or not, it’s obvious that the firing was PERSONAL.

You don’t fire a coach who’s:
1. Team has the most wins in the conference the last 3years
2. Team is the last CAA team to play for a National Championship
3. Team has won 11 playoff games in 11years. No school in the CAA has ever won that many playoff games in their history EVER. (in fact, KC’s 11 in 11 is almost twice as good as Tubby’s 11 in 21 years)
4. Taken his teams to 3 National Championship appearances in 11 years. (Tubby’s teams played for 1 in 21 years of 1AA and that was in 1983)
5. The only CAA coach to play for multiple FCS (1AA) National Championships.
6. Teams from 2002 to 2011 had the most wins of any CAA team, most conference championships, most National Championship appearances, and most playoff wins of all CAA teams.
7. Had the highest winning % of any coach in the CAA that has been at their institution for more then 3 years.
8. Had the highest winning % of any coach at UD.
9. 2 years removed from winning the National Coach of the Year and Liberty Mutual Coach of the Year!
10. Players represent UD well in the community. 2010 Sidequee Haynes won a National community service award.
11. Tremendously involved in the community as evidenced by the service projects that he and his wife are committed to.
12. A proud alum!
13. Team has a strong academic APR.
14. Helped to set record season ticket sales and attendance records - until UD instituted its ridiculous ticket and parking policies.
15. Shown by his recent handling of his firing - is a class act!


If you think we fired him because the AD, that has been on the job 30 days, didn’t like the direction the program is going I have some swampland in Smyrna to sell you. Keeler pissed someone off up campus and got wacked. Z-daddy may have pulled the trigger but our illustrious President called for the hit. He is the only one with enough power to pull a scumbag move like this. Firing a Football coach and his staff in January is not just stupid but also immoral. I, for one, am not proud to be a BLUE HEN with these bad people running UD!

By the way, to whom does The President have to answer to?????
If the answer is no one - then I guess Mel Brooks had it right with his movie line “it’s good to be the king”.
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Re: Keeler’s Firing was Personal NOT Business

Postby pksundevil on Mon Jan 14, 2013 10:03 pm

Bandwagon wrote:It doesn’t matter if you liked K.C. Keeler or not, it’s obvious that the firing was PERSONAL.

You don’t fire a coach who’s:
1. Team has the most wins in the conference the last 3years
2. Team is the last CAA team to play for a National Championship
3. Team has won 11 playoff games in 11years. No school in the CAA has ever won that many playoff games in their history EVER. (in fact, KC’s 11 in 11 is almost twice as good as Tubby’s 11 in 21 years)
4. Taken his teams to 3 National Championship appearances in 11 years. (Tubby’s teams played for 1 in 21 years of 1AA and that was in 1983)
5. The only CAA coach to play for multiple FCS (1AA) National Championships.
6. Teams from 2002 to 2011 had the most wins of any CAA team, most conference championships, most National Championship appearances, and most playoff wins of all CAA teams.
7. Had the highest winning % of any coach in the CAA that has been at their institution for more then 3 years.
8. Had the highest winning % of any coach at UD.
9. 2 years removed from winning the National Coach of the Year and Liberty Mutual Coach of the Year!
10. Players represent UD well in the community. 2010 Sidequee Haynes won a National community service award.
11. Tremendously involved in the community as evidenced by the service projects that he and his wife are committed to.
12. A proud alum!
13. Team has a strong academic APR.
14. Helped to set record season ticket sales and attendance records - until UD instituted its ridiculous ticket and parking policies.
15. Shown by his recent handling of his firing - is a class act!


If you think we fired him because the AD, that has been on the job 30 days, didn’t like the direction the program is going I have some swampland in Smyrna to sell you. Keeler pissed someone off up campus and got wacked. Z-daddy may have pulled the trigger but our illustrious President called for the hit. He is the only one with enough power to pull a scumbag move like this. Firing a Football coach and his staff in January is not just stupid but also immoral. I, for one, am not proud to be a BLUE HEN with these bad people running UD!

By the way, to whom does The President have to answer to?????
If the answer is no one - then I guess Mel Brooks had it right with his movie line “it’s good to be the king”.


Nice first post. Too bad you weren't here during the season when you'd have read the large majority of posters complaining about the record, complaining about the offense, complaining about the medical staff, complaining about his attitude, and complaining that the NC appearances and wins were great but weren't enough compared to the inconsistency. And now we've got complaints about his firing. Hope none of the potential coaching candidates' spouses find their way to gohens to see what kind of support an incoming coach is going to get....
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Re: Keeler’s Firing was Personal NOT Business

Postby jd of de on Mon Jan 14, 2013 10:25 pm

EZ takes AD position with knowledge he must fire HC because University Prez says so. :lol: :lol: :lol: sure he took the job knowing he is just a puppet. :lol: :lol: :lol:

And EZ pulled the trigger at 90 days, not 30.
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Re: Keeler’s Firing was Personal NOT Business

Postby Bandwagon on Mon Jan 14, 2013 10:35 pm

pksundevil wrote:
Bandwagon wrote:It doesn’t matter if you liked K.C. Keeler or not, it’s obvious that the firing was PERSONAL.

You don’t fire a coach who’s:
1. Team has the most wins in the conference the last 3years
2. Team is the last CAA team to play for a National Championship
3. Team has won 11 playoff games in 11years. No school in the CAA has ever won that many playoff games in their history EVER. (in fact, KC’s 11 in 11 is almost twice as good as Tubby’s 11 in 21 years)
4. Taken his teams to 3 National Championship appearances in 11 years. (Tubby’s teams played for 1 in 21 years of 1AA and that was in 1983)
5. The only CAA coach to play for multiple FCS (1AA) National Championships.
6. Teams from 2002 to 2011 had the most wins of any CAA team, most conference championships, most National Championship appearances, and most playoff wins of all CAA teams.
7. Had the highest winning % of any coach in the CAA that has been at their institution for more then 3 years.
8. Had the highest winning % of any coach at UD.
9. 2 years removed from winning the National Coach of the Year and Liberty Mutual Coach of the Year!
10. Players represent UD well in the community. 2010 Sidequee Haynes won a National community service award.
11. Tremendously involved in the community as evidenced by the service projects that he and his wife are committed to.
12. A proud alum!
13. Team has a strong academic APR.
14. Helped to set record season ticket sales and attendance records - until UD instituted its ridiculous ticket and parking policies.
15. Shown by his recent handling of his firing - is a class act!


If you think we fired him because the AD, that has been on the job 30 days, didn’t like the direction the program is going I have some swampland in Smyrna to sell you. Keeler pissed someone off up campus and got wacked. Z-daddy may have pulled the trigger but our illustrious President called for the hit. He is the only one with enough power to pull a scumbag move like this. Firing a Football coach and his staff in January is not just stupid but also immoral. I, for one, am not proud to be a BLUE HEN with these bad people running UD!

By the way, to whom does The President have to answer to?????
If the answer is no one - then I guess Mel Brooks had it right with his movie line “it’s good to be the king”.


Nice first post. Too bad you weren't here during the season when you'd have read the large majority of posters complaining about the record, complaining about the offense, complaining about the medical staff, complaining about his attitude, and complaining that the NC appearances and wins were great but weren't enough compared to the inconsistency. And now we've got complaints about his firing. Hope none of the potential coaching candidates' spouses find their way to gohens to see what kind of support an incoming coach is going to get....


Oh, I’ve been here all along, just never felt it necessary to have to post – thought most normal people understood what a good coach Keeler is and the negativity was just that of small, self-agenda, misinformed people with an ax to swing.

Just never thought that the people that call the shots at this place where part of that crowd, but I guess a degree from an Ivy League school doesn’t mean the person is necessarily smart and would have some common sense!
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Re: Keeler’s Firing was Personal NOT Business

Postby Geno Hen on Mon Jan 14, 2013 10:47 pm

Great post Bandwagon! History will be kind to KC . Maybe the new direction Harker/z Daddy regime will pick someone to resume the legacy and that truly views this as his dream job? Cohen, Venuto or Carty may feel that way. Highly doubtful that Brock or Knoes fit that description.
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Re: Keeler’s Firing was Personal NOT Business

Postby Henway on Mon Jan 14, 2013 10:48 pm

Bandwagon:
Quick question on Point 1. Why go back only 3 years? How about we go back 5 years or 1 year or 2 years. Because then, both JMU and UNH would have better records. Just trying to point out it is easy to massage numbers to try and make any point. And while I believe the BOT and the president leave much to be desired, I think both the lovers and haters of KC can make valid points by slanting the numbers as they see fit. :P
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Re: Keeler’s Firing was Personal NOT Business

Postby bluehenbillk on Mon Jan 14, 2013 10:49 pm

Welcome to the board Bandwagon.

You make a strong case in KC's favor and I agree that much of this stinks of it being in fact of a personal nature. However I'd be lying if I didn't say I along with many UD fans weren't growing increasingly frustrated with the lack of any consistent success.

I like your numbering system, we think alike that way even if at least three of your points are incorrect. Numbers 1, 8 and 13.
1- UNH has been better the last three seasons
8- Not sure which way you were going but both ways it's wrong. From a football angle the last three HC's we had have better win% and with current UD coaches women's hoops and volleyball are probably better.
13- While we have been above the APR number the football team has performed fairly average with graduation and APR relative to our CAA football peers.
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Re: Keeler’s Firing was Personal NOT Business

Postby pksundevil on Mon Jan 14, 2013 10:54 pm

Bandwagon wrote:
pksundevil wrote:
Nice first post. Too bad you weren't here during the season when you'd have read the large majority of posters complaining about the record, complaining about the offense, complaining about the medical staff, complaining about his attitude, and complaining that the NC appearances and wins were great but weren't enough compared to the inconsistency. And now we've got complaints about his firing. Hope none of the potential coaching candidates' spouses find their way to gohens to see what kind of support an incoming coach is going to get....


Oh, I’ve been here all along, just never felt it necessary to have to post – thought most normal people understood what a good coach Keeler is and the negativity was just that of small, self-agenda, misinformed people with an ax to swing.

Just never thought that the people that call the shots at this place where part of that crowd, but I guess a degree from an Ivy League school doesn’t mean the person is necessarily smart and would have some common sense!


I love that you just called the majority of GoHens posters misinformed and with an agenda.
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Re: Keeler’s Firing was Personal NOT Business

Postby Bandwagon on Mon Jan 14, 2013 11:01 pm

pksundevil wrote:
Bandwagon wrote:
pksundevil wrote:
Nice first post. Too bad you weren't here during the season when you'd have read the large majority of posters complaining about the record, complaining about the offense, complaining about the medical staff, complaining about his attitude, and complaining that the NC appearances and wins were great but weren't enough compared to the inconsistency. And now we've got complaints about his firing. Hope none of the potential coaching candidates' spouses find their way to gohens to see what kind of support an incoming coach is going to get....


Oh, I’ve been here all along, just never felt it necessary to have to post – thought most normal people understood what a good coach Keeler is and the negativity was just that of small, self-agenda, misinformed people with an ax to swing.

Just never thought that the people that call the shots at this place where part of that crowd, but I guess a degree from an Ivy League school doesn’t mean the person is necessarily smart and would have some common sense!


I love that you just called the majority of GoHens posters misinformed and with an agenda.


I don't recall writing the word "majority" - that came from your perception - which is what happens all to often.
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Re: Keeler’s Firing was Personal NOT Business

Postby Henway on Mon Jan 14, 2013 11:07 pm

Throwing the bullsh*t flag on you for point 6 also. Once again both JMU and UNH have better overall records either overall or within conference. If you are going to come on here for your first post and try to persuade everyone your point of view is the proper one, please have your facts correct....it makes it much more powerful. :)
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Re: Keeler’s Firing was Personal NOT Business

Postby Bandwagon on Mon Jan 14, 2013 11:14 pm

Henway wrote:Bandwagon:
Quick question on Point 1. Why go back only 3 years? How about we go back 5 years or 1 year or 2 years. Because then, both JMU and UNH would have better records. Just trying to point out it is easy to massage numbers to try and make any point. And while I believe the BOT and the president leave much to be desired, I think both the lovers and haters of KC can make valid points by slanting the numbers as they see fit. :P


Bottom line - he's a coach that has had a lot of success and that didn't seem to make any difference to the powers to be!
Now they have to live with someone that "might have success". To me it's just not smart!

Since it seems that many must think it's so simple to have success as a football coach, why doesn't the president just hire himself since it's so easy? The AD already hired himself as an assistant so why not go with Harker for Head Coach?
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Re: Keeler’s Firing was Personal NOT Business

Postby Bandwagon on Mon Jan 14, 2013 11:16 pm

Henway wrote:Throwing the bullsh*t flag on you for point 6 also. Once again both JMU and UNH have better overall records either overall or within conference. If you are going to come on here for your first post and try to persuade everyone your point of view is the proper one, please have your facts correct....it makes it much more powerful. :)


Maybe you need to check your facts!
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Re: Keeler’s Firing was Personal NOT Business

Postby Observer2 on Mon Jan 14, 2013 11:22 pm

Unless an insider to the program comes on here and identifies him or herself as such, we will never know all the details of the firing.

AlI that I know, because I saw it with my own eyes, was some of the most miserable, uninspired, pi** poor efforts that I have ever seen put forth on a week to week effort by a Blue Hen squad. This year. Some decent defense at times, but poor play calling and questionable player management. What the exact cause was, I do not know.

It is done, and it is time to move on.
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Re: Keeler’s Firing was Personal NOT Business

Postby RayFinkle on Mon Jan 14, 2013 11:28 pm

Get over it and move on with your lives, KC fans.

Yes, there were some great years. But they were outweighed by the non-great years, that were at times, just awful, craptastic, boring, uninspired, ridiculous football. And those years fall on the 'Football CEO' shoulders. They always have, and they always will. He had more bad years than good years, no???
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Re: Keeler’s Firing was Personal NOT Business

Postby Henway on Mon Jan 14, 2013 11:48 pm

Amazing how you didn't include 2012 to try and make your argument for #6. UNH had the same total wins overall so even trying to make your weak argument ( why would you include every year but this year makes no sense, but that is what desperate people do to try and win discussions).... you are incorrect and in conference leaving out this year, once again UNH and JMU still have better records. Very weak.

2002 through 2012.
UD 86-52 Conference 49-41

JMU 87-47 Conference 57-33

UNH 89-48 Conference 56-34.

Your tilting to try and make your version better scenario ( skipping 2012)

UD 81-46 Conference 47-35

JMU 80-43 Conference 52-30

UNH 81-44 Conference 50-32

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